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Chief examiners reports for City & Guilds 2395 - Level 3 Principles, Practices and Legislation for the Periodic Inspection, Testing and Condition Reporting of Electrical Installations.


2395-302_Chief_Examiners_Report_June_2012.pdf

2395-302_Chief_Examiners_Report_December_2012.pdf

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I cant believe the Dec 2012 pass rate was 24%!!!!!

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Quote from report....

"Some candidates stated that when carrying out a test to confirm continuity of main protective conductors the hazard was electric shock as the conductor is disconnected. As the installation must be isolated for this test there is then no shock risk".

Honestly amazed!! :rolleyes:

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Either they haven't made it easier than the 2391 or students aren't being taught as well.

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Either they haven't made it easier than the 2391 or students aren't being taught as well.

This is what I cant understand, it's only half the content of the 2391. Looking at the above quote though, I would say the class of candidate is dropping!

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This one got me thinking? Of course it is live, but please make sure you put it down on the exam paper. Simple things that we do naturally needs to be in words for these exams. Surprised they have'nt started asking "have you checked that your shoe laces are tied in case of a trip hazard?"

"Candidates should be aware that generally the installations being inspected and tested are energised, unless they are given information to the contrary. As a result the need to isolate in order to carry out certain tests must be included in the test process. The description would generally need to include: the need to obtain permission, to safely isolate and lock off and to retain the key."

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Tempted to put a training request in at work see what it's like compared to the 2391, as I'm guessing there aren't any papers from the 2395 available to the public yet?

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Tempted to put a training request in at work see what it's like compared to the 2391, as I'm guessing there aren't any papers from the 2395 available to the public yet?

No.

Most test centres are still using past 2391 papers to teach the 2395.

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They are telling you what the wrong answers are and what they are looking for. A few more reports will eliminate all the wrong answers the pass mark will go up, as will the applicant numbers, then the C&G plan has worked, . We tell you the answers and you give us the money.

The applicant numbers are alarmingly low I think.

Edited by Ruston

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Having read the reports for both the 2394 and 2395 and seen the pass rates (generally less than 50 %), I'm quite pleased to see that you can't guess or bullshit your way to a pass. Perhaps these are worthy successors to the 2391.

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Tempted to put a training request in at work see what it's like compared to the 2391, as I'm guessing there aren't any papers from the 2395 available to the public yet?

I've got one right in front of me. 2394 too.

Will let you see it after Wednesday.

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Cheers

It's only for being nosey I fancy a look.

What's your opinion on them then?

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Wow 24% feel glad i passed it

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Starting 2395 next Monday, lets hope i'm in the 24% gang haha

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Cheers

It's only for being nosey I fancy a look.

What's your opinion on them then?

A piece of cake.

I think there has been a nationwide opinion that the paper is simpler. In theory it isn't, but the shortness of the paper is having that effect. The questions are of the same level as the 2391 but the shorter duration I believe is affecting the trainers efforts at preparing the delegate for the exam.

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A piece of cake.

I think there has been a nationwide opinion that the paper is simpler. In theory it isn't, but the shortness of the paper is having that effect. The questions are of the same level as the 2391 but the shorter duration I believe is affecting the trainers efforts at preparing the delegate for the exam.

But if you're aware of it mate, surely others should be???

Or is it more a case with some of......"it's a shorter exam so we can get more people through the door" ???

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A piece of cake.

not for 75% of candidates I would appear..... ;)

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But if you're aware of it mate, surely others should be???

Or is it more a case with some of......"it's a shorter exam so we can get more people through the door" ???

at the end of the day the questions aren't any easier in themselves and, if you add the multiple choice paper, no shorter either I think. So I get the impression that this idea that it somehow easier has backfired on the candidates/colleges......

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I've observed a few of our own tutors saying its easier, mainly because they get asked all the questions from the guys who naturally want to know why they split the 2391 in the first place.

I had one tutor say ''it used to be 26 questions in 2 1/2 hours, and now it is JUST 6 questions in 1 1/2 hours''

Obviously as you guys can expect, its not 6 questions, it's 25 questions that are numbered 1 - 6.

I think delegates are just cramming in too much waffle and not composing themselves the same way as the 2391.

I sat the 2395 exam and I filled nearly every box with my answers, and tbh, I ran 20 minutes late.

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I think what some people don't realise is that, as with 2391, you not only need to know the subject but (perhaps more importantly) you need to know the terminology in GN3.

This winds me up a bit as it is sometimes knowledge of GN3 rather than knowledge of the subject that lets people down.

A good example is the quote Lenny posted....

"Some candidates stated that when carrying out a test to confirm continuity of main protective conductors the hazard was electric shock as the conductor is disconnected. As the installation must be isolated for this test there is then no shock risk".

hmm... well.... it might not be what GN3 quotes but actually that is ********! (only imho of course....)

The installation might be isolated but that bonding conductor is connected to an outside potential. Who says it is at installation ground?

When I did my 2395 it wound me up that, if I queried something then the answer was almost invariably "you might be right but they want the wording from the book....."

Still, I don't mind that the pass rate is worse than 2391 it makes my pass worth a bit more :lol:

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2395 - April 2013 report.

 

2395-302 Chief Examiners Report April 2013 v2.pdf

 

 

 

 

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OUCH...! Shows its a tough one still

J

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ok so the 2391 was 2-1/2 hours and has now been split into 2 so 2 exams @ 1-1/2 hours is 3 hours so it's a longer exam?

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but at least you get a break after 1.5 hours :)

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but at least you get a break after 1.5 hours :)

And they let you pay more  ;) 

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